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Post by Mighty Houndoom on Sept 19, 2019 15:06:08 GMT -8
Pokegirls: Misty, May, Dawn, Iris, Serena, Mallow, Lana, & Lillie
Which one should he end up with? In your opinion of who the writers will or should end up with Ash. What makes most sense for the writers to have Ash end up for would be Serena. They confirmed her crush, made a sub plot of it, & teased it heavily. Who I think Ash should end up with in my own view: Lillie. She shows deep interest in pokemon with knowledge, while Ash shows interest in pokemon in interaction. Lillie could help Ash with knowledge for pokemon like Bewear. Also being very rich from her heritage, he'd have good chiefs for food (which he loves), body guards for Jessie, James, and Meowth, & I'm sure he'd love to help out with the Aether Foundation. And Dawn I'd say is tied, but for a different reason. She's the only person Ash ever traded with, & both where super supportive of each other. They helped each other with move combinations, & Dawn went so far to get into a cheerleading outfit to cheer for him, while Ash went to all her contests. They show deep care for each other, as both do what they can when they see each other upset (Dawn with a play for Ash, Ash getting ice cream for her). They show deep care, cooperation, & undersanding for each other.
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Post by Guest on Mar 20, 2020 14:37:34 GMT -8
I'd say May belongs with Drew, so May is out (not that Advanceshipping is bad). Misty & Serena would be hard on them to end up with Ash, as he likes to travel to meet new people and pokemon, so I'd say they won't work well when Misty has to stay at the gym & Serena at Kalos when she becomes Kalos queen, as well as Mallow as she's too focused on her families shop so she'd stay in Alola. I personally prefer Dawn with Zoey, but not against Pearlshipping. That leaves Iris, Lillie & Lana. You make a point with Lillie, but I feel she's too meek for him, & won't be able to stand against him when needed. Though at the end of the Alola series she seemed to really go for what she believes in, so maybe I'm wrong... Out of Iris & Lana, I feel Lana would be happier with Ash. We see in the Alola series, they left the rest of the group to hangout with each other. While Iris did the same, she seems to get too easily annoyed with Ash so I don't see her being more than friends with Ash.
So while I don't really ship it that much, I'd say Lana.
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Post by Ash<3Misty4ever on Mar 23, 2020 12:14:15 GMT -8
I'm going with Ash and Misty obviously! May goes with Drew, Dawn & Ash where like twins, Iris & Ash never really clicked to me, Serena feelings for Ash seemed way too one sided than for Misty! Mallow, Lillie, & Lana all viewed Ash as friends and Ash only saw them as friends! Ash got jealous over Misty with Danny & Rudy, & blushed when Jessie, James and Meowth teased him! Also Misty wanted to be with him as well as she blushed too over Jessie, James, & Meowth teasing them about being in love! & she got really jealous too! So pokeshipping is 2 sided! Ash & Misty are made for each other! Misty was the reason Ash got his act together as a trainer, him realize his actions have consistences which made him into the trainer he is today! She even saved his life, with how reckless Ash is, he needs someone who has his back instead of someone who needs to be a knight and shining armor! And she's happy to be there for him, as stated in "Power of One" that Ash is never alone, because he has her! That right there shows the love & dedication Misty has for Ash! Misty & Serena would be hard on them to end up with Ash, as he likes to travel to meet new people and pokemon, so I'd say they won't work well when Misty has to stay at the gym Except Misty's goal isn't to be a gym leader, nor did she really desire to be a gym leader! Her sisters where just incapable of running a gym & forced it upon her! If it weren't for that Misty would still be with Ash, even if the Nurse Joy gave her the bike! And in the episode where she was forced to be a gym leader, you can tell she'd much rather travel with Ash than be a gym leader! So Misty would totally be fine traveling the universe with Ash, if she could find a way to not have to take the gym responsibilities she didn't want!
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Post by Guest on Mar 23, 2020 20:05:24 GMT -8
@ash<3Misty4ever I don't see how Misty is any different than Serena or how Ash viewed her as more than a friend in that department. He could of wondered,"What's so special about him?" with Danny as it's the 1st time they all meet, yet Misty is already cheering against him for Danny. Rudy jealously again is just speculation, & Ash did not act out when Rudy asked her to stay with him. And even if you want to go into the jealousy route, that is a hit against them, as jealousy is a horrible foundation for a relationship anyways. It shows distrust to each other, and poor communication skills on both parts. But to be fair, Serena has that problem too. And you say Ash has "blushed" at being teased at being in love with Misty, yet calls her ugly & implies she looks like a guy... doesn't really sound like he has much interest in her. And this is why I really try and avoid looking for "canon" in pokeanime ships, as for the most part you're not having anything going to be "two-sided," especially when looking at someone with Ash. You're forgetting Brock in that department. Plus, her methods of "helping" Ash become a better trainer where way too harsh on a rookie & far from being supportive most of the time. Not to say Misty was a bad friend or a mean person, and I know Ash wasn't always nice to her ether, but still.... There never seemed to be a problem with Ash with having a "Damsel in Distress" around him for a whole season &/or no "strong woman/man" around them. Besides, I can easily see Dawn & Iris as well being able to save Ash in danger, as Iris already did in an episode & Dawn was able to save her piplup when she had no pokemon from a bunch of angry Aridos's. If she really hated it that much, she'd up and leave the gym. Her goal is to be a water type expert. While continued traveling might be somewhat helpful to her, being a gym leader is even better. She can focus on water types better in her huge gym, and challengers coming in specifically to challenge her can help her be better at fighting with water types! Ash would obviously take most, if not all the battles if Misty traveled with Ash. And with challengers coming in expecting to fight a water gym leader, she can come up with strategies to deal with water type's weaknesses, something which would be even less likely to happen if she had to travel with Ash. And I'm sure Serena would've loved to follow Ash wherever he may go as well. However, her dream of being Kalos Queen will distance herself away from Ash. Misty's own desire to help out her sisters (& maybe even her own goal) is going to cause similar problems. Of course that might not be a deal breaker for them, but I think they'd rather have a husband be by their side to assist & cheer them on then constantly far away doing their own thing.
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Post by Mighty Houndoom on Mar 24, 2020 10:32:52 GMT -8
You all bring up some interesting points! Lot of stuff I didn't originally consider! @ash<3Misty4ever I know Dawn & Ash are similar, but I don't think they really acted like siblings. If you do return, I'd like to hear you're take on how you see them like this I also want to hear why this is. Imo Iris & Ash would be a better version pokeshipping. Misty also got easily annoyed with Ash, but with Ash Misty also annoyed him a lot. Of course, Ash and Misty's relationship improved as time went on. But with Iris & Ash they generally got along better than Ash and Misty & on a quicker pace too! @guest I hear you, but in a hypothetical situation where I guess you could say the writers decide its time to end the anime & they age everyone up, who do you think they'd end with with the pokegirls to chose from? Now that Serena has been out of the anime for years & Misty being OG & constantly referenced here & there in the anime, I now think she's the best contender though I honestly rather pearlshipping.
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Post by Guest on Mar 25, 2020 13:53:26 GMT -8
I hear you, but in a hypothetical situation where I guess you could say the writers decide its time to end the anime & they age everyone up, who do you think they'd end with with the pokegirls to chose from? Now that Serena has been out of the anime for years & Misty being OG & constantly referenced here & there in the anime, I now think she's the best contender though I honestly rather pearlshipping. And this is where I can see how Pokeshipping has an upper hand on other ships that are up for possible canon discussion. It depends on how'd they write the season they plan in ending it that way though. I can see Ash ending up with the current main female to keep relevance to the current audience. If they decide to wrap up & end it all in PM2019, I can see 3 ways it can go (if they care to have Ash end with someone): !Semi spoilers A: Ash ends with that chick they have, not giving any care in the world for Go B: For this & C, Go ends with his childhood friend. Ash ends with Misty as they always bring her into relevance as she's OG C. Ash ends with Lillie (or maybe Lana), as more would be familiar with her than other pokegirls (besides current chick, but she would be taken in this scenario) I guess B is the most likely scenario, as it won't be too random to have childhood friends together, & Misty does also have current relevancy added on due to her cameos in SM. But for right now, Ash views all his companions as friends, even though there's some pretty good evidence most could have a crush on him (with Serena's only one confirmed). XC
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Post by Misty Ketchum on Mar 27, 2020 17:39:36 GMT -8
Yes pokeshipping is superior! Lol nope! Ash almost died because Misty cheering against him made him almost fall off the mountain! Also jealously is a normal thing people feel because they desire a person! They won't be bad for each other because they want each other! Ash never even blushed when he was accused of being in love with May! He cried when he had to leave Misty he loves her too! <3 Ever heard of tough love? Those times when Misty was harsh on Ash had made him a better trainer! Ash never accepted a pity badge after Misty pointed out that most his badges he got from Kanto where handouts! Plus she's way nicer to him now! She can't leave as the gym goal is an excuse to have Misty not travel with Ash! It's so stupid how it happened it make no sense! So one morning, someone came to their place & found out it was a crummy gym? And then they go in and have Volkner hand out badges in Sinnoh & be fine, yet Misty's sisters get in trouble & have to force their younger sister to do it? And Skyla being able to just fly around instead of being an actual gym leader? And they won't have her leave, because they don't want Misty to be a main character again! If Misty had a choice, she say f it all and ditch her sisters and the gym! Misty would be able to do better at her goal traveling Ash as she would find water types out of Kanto and learn about them! And you have no proof she wouldn't be able to handle her goal while with Ash! She can find others to fight while Ash fights! Misty is a tough girl, she can handle herself just fine! She still loves Ash while he's been out in other regions and has managed to deal with gym stuff without him! Ikarishkipping is watered down pokeshipping. While you can say that Ash and Iris "got along better & faster," it wasn't as natural looking as pokeshipping. Iris following Ash around cuz then finally decides to be his traveling companion finally is a lot less believable than the struggles Ash and Misty went through with each other, but then after learning more about each other fell in love with each other!
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Post by Guest on Apr 1, 2020 17:54:25 GMT -8
@misty Ketchum You really did not get what I meant? The writers never said that Ash "almost died" because he wanted Misty but Misty wanted Danny. Its something you came up with yourself. Heck even if I can see all that most pokegirls have crushes on Ash, the only one completely confirmed is Serena for Ash. Unless you are the director/a writer back in OS, you can not say that for fact. And "blushing" doesn't amount to anything anyways, as there's other reasons why people turn red. Also, I've watched "pokeball perial" a lot, and it doesn't really look like he's blushing. Again, if pokeshipping happen it'd because she'd have a reference in a current series because she's OG. So? In other cameos when she left, Ash said goodbye to her like he did with his other friends. Also he cried when saying goodbye to Butterfree, when he thought he was going to say goodbye to Pikachu... so does Ash have/has had romantic feelings for them as well? Again, you are making things up when the writers never even hinted that the reason stopped accepting handout badges. And I'm confused now. You're first sentence is seeming like being harsh on Ash is a good thing, yet your end sentence says she's nicer to him now? And again, I'm pretty sure Ash has learned a lot more from Brock, who isn't down his throat for every mistake he made as a newbie. I'll admit the writers became lazy & have a lot of bad writing nowadays. However, we do not know how long they were able to get away with handing out badges. We also don't know if Sinnoh & Unova go by different laws than Kanto. And she can't really find others to fight while Ash fights, as she's too focus on watching their battle. Away from Ash, she can go to where she wants to get water pokemon (she got a garados off screen, after all), & again the people coming to her gym expect her to use water pokemon. So she'd understand water pokemon really well by figuring out the best way with dealing with their weaknesses. All of this is better focused upon without her following Ash. I'm confused on why you wrote the last paragraph, but then went with this. Regardless, that is not what I was saying in the slightest... This isn't backed by anything. But to me, Serena and Misty seem like they'd be much happier with their husband with them for support than having to be away focused on their goals. They don't need no man, nor do are they delicate frail helpless girls who need assistance 24/7, but especially with Misty with having controlling condescending sisters around all her life I'm pretty sure someone around who can support her is much needed for her if she were to find a partner. Not saying Ash would just ditch her with a baby & never see her again, and if Ash/Misty happened he'd most likely have to be forced to stay in Cerulean with her... In any case, it won't be fair to one side.
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Post by Ash<3Misty4ever on Apr 5, 2020 8:30:09 GMT -8
Didn't care about replying, but just want to point out some things.
So Guest, you say, "we've made all this up, and we can't say this for sure as we are't the writers!"? You know what a writer has said that Misty & Ash had feelings for each other, yet where too young to realize them? So yea, it seems Ash did blush in "Pokeball Peril," he was jealous of Danny and Rudy (and more than likely Tracey at one point). And one thing you can't deny is that pokeshipping is two-sided. Yes Serena has a confirmed crush, but nothing has ever been said about Ash's side, unlike with pokeshipping where both sides are confirmed to like each other!
Also, Misty staying at the gym is a thing forced upon by writers to force her to stay in Cerulean while Ash goes traveling to another region. It was obvious in "Gotta catch You Later" that even with her bike back, she'd still go with him in Hoenn if it weren't for her sisters/whoever threatened to shut down the gym. And even if Misty started to enjoy being a gym leader, Ash will probably visit the whole world before he has a chance to turn 11. He'll be able to stay wherever he wants with whoever he wants (best bet Misty as it's natural love with them). And he'll enjoy raising his children with Misty as he encourages them to be the best they with want to be. So Ash and Misty can be a happy as a married couple in the anime when it ends!
I rest my case: Ash should be with the one he truly loves, Misty!
Also about Ash & Dawn, I saw them as twin-like as they seemed to get along like twins did for the most part. They thought alike and acted alike in a lot of cases. & Ash & Iris, Misty Ketchum basically said what I was going to say.
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Post by Guest on Apr 8, 2020 10:26:07 GMT -8
Okay yes, Misty was forced by the writers to leave. But she obviously wasn't the only one. May made sense & SM girls & Serena I don't think there was a way for her to continue with traveling with Ash. But Dawn was forced into a random modeling job, idk whats they where thinking with Cilan & Iris... and all of the traveling companions wanted to stay with him, but had other things to do too. All of that is not just relevant to only Misty. Most of the others however, they have goals where they can travel the world with him. I guess Dawn has the same problem now that I think of it. Because her modeling job would probably have her stay in Sinnoh or go where they need her, making it unfair for Ash, as he'd rarely gets to go where he would like to go.
Okay, but do you know what Shudo (the director of the original anime) said? That they were always meant to be just friends & nothing more. That could mean one of 3 things: 1. The writer (or maybe writers) where trying to get pokeshipping to be/seem canon without Shudo's approval 2. They just said that to make pokeshippers happy, but wasn't true 3. Ash & Misty used to have feelings for each other as a 1st love type thing, but then grew up & saw each other as friends and lost those feelings for each other
I guess you can say Shudo is BS'ing, but I don't see the point of that. So it could've been two-sided at one point, yet you still can't argue for sure that Ash was jealous of other guys because their is nothing to say he ever was besides speculation. It's understandable to see it as jealousy (though I already pointed out the problem with that), and its fine to see it that way. However, I just personally don't.
While it's most likely Ash will visit the whole world as a 10 yr old, I doubt he'd be done adventuring after that. He'd still like to travel to see whats new with a region he hasn't been to in awhile & to see some old friends. Maybe like to retry some leagues/re-battle some champions. I really doubt just cuz he traveled the world, he'd just want to settle down in one spot, at least not until he's like in his 50's-70's and is unable to as easily travel around as he can now.
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Post by Amourshipper on Jun 16, 2020 15:54:25 GMT -8
...I just want to say my piece no arguing here. I think Serena is good for ash. She is very sweet & caring of him, & loves him deeply! Ash loves food like op said & Serena cooks great as well! And for the whole “she has to stay in Kalos!” Thing, most pokegirls have that problem of not going to be able to be with ash for long periods of time. However, love makes things work, & “absence makes the heart grow fonder”! I’m sure Serena will be perfectly fine with loving him & being away from ash, as her feelings didn’t fade after not seeing him for quite some time after summer camp! Serena is the only girl with confirmed feelings for ash, as well as a whole sub plot involving them, as well as an opening song with Serena describing her feelings for ash! So both what I want & what I think will happen if/when Pokemon ends is that ash will be with Serena!
Ash didn’t have a crush on misty! Please don’t use a dub team translation quote for proof! Yes, the English dub likes to continue to pretend pokeshipping is canon, but it never was with what Shudo (the original director of the show) says they are only friends, & he planned to perma kill ash in the 1st movie! There’s nothing to prove he loves Serena as of yet, I just wanted to clear things up.
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Post by Mighty Houndoom on Dec 11, 2020 17:41:30 GMT -8
Let’s keep writer/director/whoever says out of this. There’s no way to tell what they all said unless someone who is fluent in Japanese comes & accurately translates it, & that’s hard to find. Plus, whomever ends up with ash should be made apparent in the anime (if/when the time comes), & no writers gonna spoiler/say that 😂. Right now, nothing really points ash having any attraction towards anyone besides Giselle (in fact, who knows if he even desires her at this point). Not to say he’s gonna end up with her/no one, just that ash is extremely dense & has other things that’s more important to him atm.
In any case, with all these huge ships people seemed to have been deeply impacted by, I think when the writers end, they probably just not reveal whom ash ended with (or any of the main cast for that matter). There’s just so many who worked on it too. There’s no reason for them to end it by ruining everyone’s imagination by having ash hookup with someone being shown. They could have it were a child with black hair & z marks sets out with his/her pichu/pikachu (making it clear ash did end up with a wife), which would leave most content as they can believe any girl they prefer to have married ash, wether that’d be misty, serena, Angie, or whomever. Who knows though.
Sorry to have addressed this so late everyone. Also amourshipper, thank you for your input. I’d like to see this more of a discussion & not an argument. Though in any case, it’s fine you just want to clear things up. I hope something here didn’t upset you too much to have a negative impression here☹️
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Post by PraiseLordMagikarp on Nov 2, 2021 21:52:39 GMT -8
I do think all girls are good people who care for ash. Heck i do think most pokegirls have a crush on ash, and most would make good partners for someone. I just think Misty, Serena, and Iris probably wouldn’t really work out with Ash on the long run. They all had nice moments with Ash, but I don’t think they should go past friendship. While Serena is able to feed ash, I’m sure later on in life all the other girls including ash himself would learn how to cook when they get older. And Mallow and Cilan have goals for being chiefs, and Clemont knows how to cook & was the main one to cook for them in Ash’s Kalos adventure and not Serena. So yeah imo Serena knowing how to make food isn’t the biggest thing.
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